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Tuesday, November 29, 2016

OXFORD DICTIONARY SURNAMES 2016

FROM OXFORD REFERENCE Database
 Title:  "The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland"
Search "Elder"  in Reference library box
                               (with University Library ID and password)
Reference type: Subject Reference
Current Version: 2016
Subject:  Names studies
Length: 171 words 

Nancy's note:
Abbreviation:  IGI = "International Genealogical Index"
                          from LDS data in FamilySearch.org - Public access

OXFORD entry for ELDER:
   "Variants: Elders • Current frequencies: GB 3813, Ireland 497 •
     GB frequency 1881: 3151 • Main GB location 1881: widespread ...
 " ...Elder , 1546 in IGI (Watford, Herts);
Edward Elder , 1549 in IGI (Nonington, Kent);
Thamsin Elder , 1556 in IGI (Saint Gerrans, Cornwall);
Thomas Elder , 1557 in IGI (East Hendred, Berks).
   Scotland: John Eldar of Corstorphine, burgess,
                    1423 in Holyrood Register (Edinburgh);
                   John Elder , 16th cent. in Collectanea de Rebus Albanicis ;
                   John Elder, 1561 in IGI (Dunfermline, Fife);
                  Andro Elder , 1574 in Wodrow Miscellany (Menmuir, Angus);
                 Jhone Elder , 1575 in IGI (Perth, Perths).
                  Elder, 1881 frequency. © Archer...
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OXFORD entry for  "ELDERS"  Search in Reference library
Reference type:Subject Reference
Current Version: 2016
Subject: Names studies
Length: 42 words
... • Current frequencies: GB 201, Ireland 55 •
GB frequency 1881: 235 • Main GB location 1881:
NR Yorks • Main Irish location 1847–64: Offaly English :
variant of Elder with post-medieval excrescent -s . Elders, 1881 frequency. © Archer...
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Nancy's notes:
Found similar entry in LDS FamilySearch.org
Em Elder
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 14 November 1546
ST MARYS, WATFORD, HERTFORD, ENGLAND
father:
John Elder
     Citing this Record:  "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database,
FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J973-XB4 :
 30 December 2014), Em Elder, 14 Nov 1546;
citing ST MARYS,WATFORD,HERTFORD,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 991,355.
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Edward Elder
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
2 May 1549
NONINGTON, KENT, ENGLAND
father: John Elder
    Citing this Record: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database,
FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWWN-D5V :
30 December 2014), Edward Elder, 02 May 1549;
 citing NONINGTON,KENT,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 215,557.

Google map from St. Mary's, Watford, Hertford, UK
From London area, 3 hr. 22 min, 196.2 miles
at
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=st.+mary%27s+watford%2C+hertford+uk+to+liverpool%2C+uk

Google map from Nonington, Kent, UK to Liverpool, UK
Past London on East Coast, 4 hrs 51 min, 287.2 miles)
at
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Nonington+kent+uk+to+liverpool+uk

Google map from St. Gerrans Cornwall to Liverpool, UK
(From Southern end of England - 5 hrs 55 min, 344. 5 miles to Liverpool)
at
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=st.+gerrans%2C+cornwall+to+liverpool%2C+uk

Google map for East Hendred, Berkshire to Liverpool, UK
(From near London, to Liverpool, 3 hr 9 min, 185 miles)
at
http://tinyurl.com/ztv8twk

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Researching the early Scotland ELDER names listed in OXFORD book.

Nancy's notes:
  >"When I used Google to search for  CORSTORPHINE and ANDRO ELDER
I found my own notes posted on the GOALS section of our ELDER DNA project
at
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elder/about/goals
I have posted:
  "Elder Surname in "The Surnames of Scotland"
    by George Fraser Black.  Pg. 241.
    ELDER.
      The 'elder,' signifying the elder of two bearing the same forename.
    John Eldar or Eldare de Corstorfin was burgess of Edinburgh in 1423
    (LSC., p. 227; Egidii, p. 44).
  The surname is also recorded in Aberdeen in 1447 (CRA., p. 15).
  " John Elder, a renegade Scot, urged Henry VIII ('Bagcheeks')
to invade Scotland, assuring him of the
support of the Highland Clans (Coll., p. 23-32).
Andro Elder, reidare at Menmure, 1574 (RMR.). Cf. Macnoravaich.
     Following are the sources mentioned in that entry for Elder (by George Fraser Black).
--LSC.  Liber cartarum Sancte Crucis . . . Edinburgh, 1840.
--Egidii.  Registrum cartarum ecclesie Sancti Egidii de Edinburgh. .
. 1344-1567. Edinburgh, 1859.
--CRA. Extracts from the council register of the burgh of Aberdeen.
Aberdeen, 1844-45. 2 v. v. 1: 1398-1570; v. 2: 1570-1625.
--Coll. Collectanea de rebus Albanicis, consisting of original papers
and documents relating to the history of the Highlands and Islands.
Edinburgh, 1847.
--RMR.  Register of ministers and readers in the Kirk of Scotland.
. 1574. (In: Wodrow Society miscellany. v. 1. 1844.)
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Also,
Searching for John ELDER in
"Collectanea de Rebus Albanicis"
found:
  "4i. A proposal for uniting Scotland with England, addressed to
King Henry Vtll., by John Elder, clerke, a Reddshanke,  1542
also
"John Elder's signature, prepared for the Bannatyne Miscellany. .."
"John Elder, the author of this document was, by his own account,
a native of Caithness, and a clergyman, who had studied at the Universi-
ties of St Andrews, Aberdeen, and Glasgow, for twelve years...."  more....
at
https://archive.org/stream/collectaneadere00skengoog/collectaneadere00skengoog_djvu.txt
Searching in LDS FamilySearch.org
found:
John Elder
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 15 February 1561
DUNFERMLINE, FIFE, SCOTLAND
father: John Elder
mother: Effie Smeton
   Citing this Record: "Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database,
FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYG6-9BL :
2 January 2015), John Elder, 15 Feb 1561;
citing DUNFERMLINE,FIFE,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 844,775.

and
Name     Jhone Elder
Gender     Male
Christening Date     12 Sep 1575
Christening Place     PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name     Jhone Elder
Citing this Record: "Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database,
FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQW7-8PP :
2 January 2015), Jhone Elder, 12 Sep 1575;
citing PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,040,383.

More about JOHN ELDER who also called himself ELDAR, map maker,
posted on my SUTHERLAND Freepages
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Sutherland.htm

and more about ELDER in PERTHSHIRE on my Freepages
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Perth.htm

"ELDERS with an S" - Y-DNA Kit #219446 (I2b1) I = Vikings in Yorkshire
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/AlvinMartinELDERS.htm 

BLOG WITH MORE INFO ABOUT THE BOOK:
at
http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/the-oxford-dictionary-of-family-names.html

Monday, August 29, 2016

Jesse ELDER (1788 NC - 1859 Pulaski Co KY)

Several "PETER ELDER" researchers are now hoping to solve the
mystery about parents of Jesse ELDER, who was said to be grandson of
PETER ELDER, often included in their paternal lists.
However, descendants of Jesse now show Y-DNA results
with "E" Haplogroup, possibly German DNA, 

not matching any "PETER ELDER" kits.
One theory says Jesse may have been a maternal grandson.
We are still trying to find his parents.
Now have 3 Y-DNA kits with early ancestor descriptions:
"Grandfather Peter's will places Jesse in William Elder's charge"
   Citation: Jesse Elder b. 1788 NC d. 16-SEP-1859 Pulaski Co, KY
for 3 kits:
1. kit #457006 Jesse Elder (b.1788 NC) grandson of Peter Elder
    13 24 13 10 16-18 11 12 11 13 11 30
2. kit #17290 Jesse Elder ( b.1788 NC) grandson of Peter Elder
    13 24 13 10 16-18 11 12 12 13 11 30
3. kit # 13301 Jesse Elder b 1788 Surry Co, NC -Grandson of Peter
    13 24 13 10 16-18 11 12 12 13 11 30

Viewing each column for comparing with "PETER ELDER" DNA category,
Finding 8 markers different out of 12, from all "PETER ELDER" kits.
"PETER ELDER" kits show these markers:
13 23 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 14 13 30

Markers: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th are different for JESSE.
Still looking for Jesse's father.


Separate category for Jesse Elder in ELDER DNA Results Chart
at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder?iframe=yresults

Monday, July 11, 2016

McINTOSH 67 marker Y-DNA matches ELDER of "FRANKLIN CO PA"

Our Book Club is reading "AT THE WATER'S EDGE" by SARA GRUEN, fiction set in GLENURQUHART near Loch Ness and south of Inverness, Scotland.
       In the ELDER DNA project we have a matching surname McINTOSH, 67 marker Y-DNA kit #295350,  ancestor listed as "Robert McINTOSH of GLENURQUHART,"
who immigrated to Nova Scotia in 1801.
His kit matches my brother's ELDER Y-DNA, #10042 in "FRANKLIN CO PA" chart,
along with matching McPHERSON kits and others.

ELDER and McPHERSON names are found in Nova Scotia.  
ELDER and McPHERSON names are common around Inverness,
where Clan Mackintosh is known to have ancient headquarters.

"The GLEN OF URQUHART runs from Loch Ness at Urquhart Bay in the east to Corrimony and beyond in the west.
The River Enrick runs along its length, passing through Loch Meiklie."

Urquhart Woods Map - and Urquhart Bay, shows URQUHART CASTLE
 in lower right (push map upward)
at
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/maps/map1_11ln.shtml

Castle notes:
  "A 16th-century water gate in the eastern wall of the Upper Bailey gives access to the shore of the loch...."

Places to stay in Glenurquhart - Trip Advisor
at
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g1950892-d243130-r74337264-Glenurquhart_House_Hotel-Balnain_Loch_Ness_Scottish_Highlands_Scotland.html

Sunday, July 10, 2016

Royal Stewart DNA project has ELDER match

ELDER Y-DNA kit #303284 has been
placed within the ROYAL STEWART DNA project
in the category titled:
"DESCENDANTS OF THE FIRST HIGH STEWARD OF SCOTLAND"
along with many STEWART and STUART names
posted on the chart:
at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Stuart/default.aspx?section=yresults

Especially seen as matching STEWART DNA in 34/37 markers,
Kit #321497
Ancestor listed: Walter FizAllan (1106-1177) 1st HSof Scotland

Also 34/37 with ROYAL STEWART member:
Michael Robert Stewart kit #198781
Ancestor
John Stewart b. 1764 in PA or Donegal Ireland
Category:
"AN S781- TESTED DESCENDANT OF THE FIRST HIGH STEWARD OF SCOTLAND."

Michael Robert STEWART also has connections with MARGERY STEWART who married DAVID ELDER of Franklin Co PA.

Monday, January 5, 2015

New STUART kit #B12713 matches ELDER of "FRANKLIN CO PA"

NEW Kit #B12713 posted on ELDER DNA project chart with ancestor
"Donald STUART b1757 - d1826 Banffshire, Scotland,"
 has recently joined the ELDER DNA PROJECT and the SCOTTISH DNA PROJECT.
 Not matching any other STEWART/STUART kits,
does match all our "FRANKLIN COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA" ELDER DNA group,
which includes my brother's kit #10042.

I am especially interested in the BANFFSHIRE SCOTLAND location, after researching
the ELDER name there. 
My ELDER research notes for BANFF posted on Freepages
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Banff.htm

Includes Notes:
ELDER at Culloden:
"John Elder, servant at Park, Banff, to Sir William Gordon of Park."
From Google Books:
   "Muster roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart's army, 1745-46"
http://books.google.com/books?id=lFaCAAAAIAAJ&q=ELDER

also Google Books:
http://tinyurl.com/kfwr2vb
TRANSCRIPT OF ALL THE MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS WITHIN THE
CHURCHYARD OF BANFF.       With Photos of Cemetery, sent by Ann Elder Norz

Also in Banff Cemetery:
(35) Here lies inter'd the body of John Stewart, an honest,
 faithful and affectionate servant to the family of Findlater
 for above 14 years, he died the 12th day of June, 1777.

Search for Donald Stuart b 1757 [d Banffshire]
Birth 17 Jan 1757 in Delnadave, Strathdon and Corgarff, Scotland
Death 02 Jan 1826 in Tomintoul, Banffshire, Scotland
found in Ancestry.com Tree
at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/72405412/person/34255830335
by "bstuart2919"  (no Elder in list)

CORGARFF Castle is located in Aberdeenshire, north-east Scotland.
 It stands by the Lecht road, which crosses the pass between Strathdon and Tomintoul.

TOMINTOUL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomintoul
  "The village was laid out on a grid pattern by the 4th Duke of Gordon in 1775…."


---Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

Friday, August 29, 2014

ELDER webpage links

RE: ELDER WEBPAGES in addition to this BLOG:

ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
     Especially see GOALS and DNA RESULTS

ELDER ONE-NAME STUDY - GUILD OF ONE-NAME STUDIES
http://one-name.org/name_profile/elder 
  by Nancy Elder Petersen and Ken Elder

   My favorite to read and answer queries ---
 so many are still posted on the public ELDER Rootsweb Board
at
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.elder/mb.ashx

The "ELDER GENFORUM" ARCHIVE will be available to
 search after September, but not posting:
at
http://genforum.genealogy.com/elder

 "ELDER FAMILY RESEARCH BULLETIN BOARD," another favorite--
now for searching many archival notes, first posted by the late DONNA LOGAN.  Registration is free.
I am adding notes and answering queries for all ELDER lines sent there.
Especially adding ELDER DNA info
at
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/bb/viewforum.php?f=15

YAHOO GROUPS has the "Catholic ELDER of Maryland" Discussion group
at
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DescendantsofWilliamElderMD/info

Timothy Gallagher posted another FACEBOOK page for "CATHOLIC ELDER."
Members are posting their ELDER REUNION photos from Kentucky 2014:
at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/249721628428319

FACEBOOK "GROUPS" page by KEN ELDER, he titled: "ELDER GENEALOGY"
at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/117765545226

 FACEBOOK page for "PETER ELDER of VIRGINIA" DNA group--mostly from Descendants living in South Carolina, posted by Linda TESENAIR.
 She titled hers: "ELDER CLAN." 
 Some photos posted for their "PETER ELDER" family reunion 2014 in South Carolina,
at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/428497867259834

Queries with Scotland names:
at
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Elder

Saturday, July 26, 2014