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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Handwritten certificate for Commander Benjamin John ELDER, Isle of Skye

 "MastersandMates" record for Cmd (Commander Benjamin John ELDER, Isle of Skye)
from Ancestry.com Database
Posted
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/MastersandMatesCmdCertBenjaminJohnElder.jpg

More about ELDER in Isle of Skye:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Skye.htm

ELDER Y-DNA kit #342842 matches "ROYAL STEWART" kits

ELDER DNA project has received a quite different ELDER Y-DNA kit, #342842,
now located on ELDER Y-DNA chart as "Z21-ROYAL STEWART,"
which mostly matches STEWART/STUART names, including one which
says his ancestor is "Walter, 1st High Steward of Scotland, died 1177."

Other matching kits are found on ROYAL STEWART DNA project
at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/stuart

For example:
Kit #224095 Ancestor: "John STEWART b. 1764 in PA or Donegal Ire."
also listed on WorldConnect, by Michael STEWART
at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=stewdbkr&id=I15
JOHN STEWART:
Birth: 1764 in Carnemauga, Green Hill, County Donegal, Ireland
Death: 24 MAR 1847 in Mill Creek, Erie Co., PA
Burial: Erie Cemetery Section 17, Lot 121

RE: Marriage of DAVID ELDER and
MARGERY STEWART, who lived in FRANKLIN COUNTY PA, posted
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/StewartDonegal.htm

MARGERY STEWART
is traced……to:

# ID: I225
# Name: Walter 1st High Steward of Scotland Fitzalan
# Sex: M
Father: Alan Thane of Lochaber
Mother: Adelina of Oswestry
Marriage 1 Eschyna de Molle
Children
   1.  Alan 2nd High Steward of Scotland Fitzwalter
   2. Marjory Fitzalan

CHARLTON-ELDER Family Tree, by BRNRUBR
at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20020255/person/884093961
traced to:
John Elder Sr
Birth 1762 in Chester County, Pennsylvania, USA
Death 19 Jan 1835 in Salona, Lamar Twp, Centre, Pennsylvania, USA

STEWART index on Ancestry.com Tree:
Stewart, Arminta Myrtle 
19 Jul 1870 - Westover, Clearfield, Pennsylvania, USA
10 Feb 1960 - Marion Center, Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
Stewart, Elizabeth  Aug 1859 - Pennsylvania
Stewart, Howard M  Sep 1854 - Pennsylvania
Stewart, Lora Dale  8 Jul 1900 - North Carolina, United States
8 Sep 1992 - Jackson, North Carolina, United States
Stewart, Raymond F

Friday, July 11, 2014

"PETER ELDER" kit #35714 now reports SNP R-DF49+ and R-DF13+

"PETER ELDER" Kit #35714 on HAPLOTREE REPORT PAGE
  now says:
SNP Tests Taken show PLUS for DF49+, DF13+

Checking the category in the R-L21 Study, to see if this "PETER ELDER" Kit #35714
 is moved up with JOHNSTON kit #90660 category on page 4
at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/r-l21/default.aspx?section=yresults

    YES!  Now both are placed in the same category,
which has been changed and shortened slightly, to show mostly the 49+ (PLUS) SNP's:
See Category:
     x10. DF49+(L21>DF13>DF49; check 49+ SNPs)

   "PETER ELDER" kit #35714 matches JOHNSTON kit #90660 with
101 of 111 markers. 
    Also matches JOHNSTONE kit #224025 of Lockerbie Scotland
with 61 of 67 markers.
    Close markers and SNP's may help place these families as all locating
 in the southwest coast of Scotland.

JOHNSTONE of Lockerbie article in Wikipedia
at
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockerbie
Found in Dumfries & Galloway, Scotland, on the West Coast near Borders:
 ....  "Lockerbie House is an important establishment within Lockerbie, in the past having owned most of the land and housing within the town mainly through the Johnstone Baronets and Douglas family."
…"About 3 kilometres to the west of Lockerbie on 7 December 1593, Clan Johnstone fought Clan Maxwell at the Battle of Dryfe Sands. The Johnstones nearly exterminated the Maxwells involved in the battle, leading to the proverbial expression "Lockerbie Lick."

Saturday, March 8, 2014

SNP STUDY for "PAXTANG PENNSYLVANIA" kits - I2b1-M223

SNP STUDY FOR I2b1-M223 -  "PAXTANG PENNSYLVANIA" Page 3
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m223-y-clan

Includes GILLESPIE with Big-Y SNP order:
Category:
I2a M223>M284>L1195>L369/L137/L126 Isles-Scot, Kittler 16-15 (Grp 1)
28 GILLESPIE

Kit #'s
B6098     SamGillespieb1720 IRE>Sam1742UlsterCoNY>Ste BigYp   Ire I2b1
and
159247     SamGillespieb1720 IRE>Sam1742UlsterCoNY>Steb1777NY   
                Northern Ireland     I2b1

Dr. Tyrone BOWES uses DNA for Scotland origins

    "PAXTANG PENNSYLVANIA" ELDER researchers living in Portland have invited me to a lecture on March 15, 10 am, at Marylhurst University,  given by Dr. Tyrone BOWES.  He has been encouraging DNA tests from FamilyTreeDNA and writing case studies about  SCOTTISH and IRISH family ORIGINS.

I finished downloading and reading all 13 of the .pdf files posted by
Dr. Tyrone BOWES in his SCOTTISH Origines webpages
at
http://www.scottishorigenes.com/case-studies

I didn't find any ELDER names, but I believe that the TERRY story
is the closest to the DNA grouping for "PAXTANG PA" ELDER.

 I recognized McNEILL and the ISLES from
Alasdair MacDonald's I2b1-L126 Viking information, which is
also in "PAXTANG PA" DNA.

CASE STUDY 8:
  "Norse-Gaels and hired Mercenaries from the Highlands and Islands!"

Dr. Tyrone BOWES wrote:
    "A commercial ancestral 37 marker Y chromosome DNA test will potentially provide one with the names of many hundreds of individuals with whom one shares a common male ancestor, but what often perplexes people is how one can match many individuals with different surnames? The answer is quite simple. Roughly 1,000 years ago one's direct medieval male ancestor, the first for example to call himself 'McNeill' was living in close proximity to others with whom he was related but who picked other surnames like McIntyre, McLaren, and Gillespie. Given that 1,000 years have passed since surnames were adopted, there will be many descendants of these individuals some of whom will today undergo commercial ancestral DNA testing.
Hence the surnames of one's medieval ancestor's neighbours will be reflected in
today's DNA test results.

SURNAME: Terry - A Case Study  (.pdf file)  -- 30th July 2012
by Dr. Tyrone BOWES
"Figure 4: The Clan territories of the Western Isles of Scotland.
     "Mr Terry's Genetic Homeland (orange broken circle) is situated in the Western Isles of Scotland in the ancient Clan territory of the McNeill's which surrounds the ruins of Castle Swin on the Kintyre peninsula.
 It is here that the McNeill farming community could be found in 1841 farming the lands of their ancestors and surrounded by the ancient Clan territories of their genetic cousins the McInnes, McIntyre's, McLaren, and MacDonald's (red arrows)."

Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Nancy's notes for Agenda with links found online,
 sent to ELDER researchers before the
Glasgow DNA Meeting of Jan 18, 2014.
An ELDER researcher from "MAINE" DNA category will attend the meeting.

See:
McFARLANE Project:
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacFarlane

Administrators
Chevalier Terrance Gach MacFarlane          
          chevalier_gach_macfarlane@juno.com , Group Administrator
Andrew Macfarlane       clanman@orcon.net.nz , Group Co-Administrator
 Barbara Duff                  barbbduff@gmail.com , Group Co-Administrator
 Mary Helen Haines        mhhaines@aol.com , Group Co-Administrator
 Peter McFarland            petermcfarland80138@gmail.com , Group Co-Admin
 Robert Allan                   hamish@gmail.com , Group Co-Administrator

Y-DNA RESULTS CHART:
Includes Haplogroups:  R1b1a2a1a1b4
124448     Alexander McFarlane 1764---8 Nov 1852 Dunbartonshire Scotland  

"Dark Ages DF63 kinsmen to the earls of Lennox
  and thus to the Macfarlane chiefs and their cadets:        
208171     William Allan, b. ?, m. 1760 Kilconquhar Fife     Scotland            
                  R1b1a2a1a1b4
History:
...."Many of the rank and file of the clan took other names designating their vocation,
such as Stalker and Miller, while others adopted names from motives of prudence
when the clan came into conflict with the authorities.
As a result clan Macfarlane has many associated Sept surnames
and some bearing these names were originally Macfarlanes.
From the ancestral lands of Arrochar the Macfarlanes spread throughout the
Highlands and to Northern Ireland. Today Macfarlanes are found around the world. "

****
KENNEDY PROJECT:
Jim Kennedy   jamesekennedy369@gmail.com , Group Administrator
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/kennedy
 ....
  279185     John Kennedy b. 1380     Scotland     R1b1a2a1a1b4g
                        others Ireland, etc.
***
 "R-L165 Project"
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project
Title:
"R-L165 (S68) Project" -- R1b1a2a1a1b5b
Administrators
   Lori McLeod-Wilke     wilkes1@windstream.net , Group Administrator
   Alasdair Macdonald     alasdair@familytreedna.com , Group Co-Administrator
   Conrad Terrill               cwterrill@comcast.net , Group Co-Administrator
   Timothy McLeod          tim@mcleod-cabin.net , Group Co-Administrator

Nancy's notes:
-- McLEOD and MacDONALD families are found on ISLE of SKYE
      ALASDAIR MACDONALD has commented on
     ELDER and McDONALD on SKYE,  posted on my webpages
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Skye.htm

Book:   "BRAVE SONS OF SKYE"  Page 219
Major-General SIR GEORGE ELDER , K.C.B.
        [Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath]
 ."...The Elders had fighting blood in their veins from both sides of the
house, ancestors of theirs (Stuart and Elder) having fought at
Culloden on the side of the Prince."

From Sleat Local History Society:
http://www.sleatlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/index.php/topic/48
  Emigration Article refers to Alexander Macdonald Elder and his father, John Elder.
   "MacDonald and Elder, the company that ran the stores in Isle Ornsay in the early 1800s, also acted as emigration agents."

SKYE ELDER kit (#172862) - Descendant of COLIN ELDER, has different Y-DNA markers than "MAINE" list, but always interesting to ELDER project.

***
CAMP and KEMP Project:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Kemp

Administrators
    Andrew KEMP       clan@kempfamilyhistory.com , Group Administrator
    John Cleary             johncleary@onetel.com , Group Co-Administrator

"Please consider also stopping by the one-name study (ONS)
which complements and enhances this DNA project, found
at
http://www.kempfamilyhistory.com
....Clicked on PLACES
at
http://www.kempfamilyhistory.com/places-oneletter.php?offset=1&tree=adkemp&psearch=Scotland

     Click on a place to show smaller localities.
.... CHOSE GLASGOW....
1. 51 Breadalbane St, Glasgow, Scotland
2. 7 Bannerman Rd, Glasgow, Scotland
3. Anderston District, Glasgow, Scotland
4. Anderston, Glasgow, Scotland (1)
5. Dennistoun, Glasgow, Scotland
6. Gorbals, Glasgow, Scotland
7. Larak, Glasgow, Scotland
8. Patrick, Glasgow, Scotland (2)
9. Woodside, Glasgow, Scotland

Nancy's notes on Steamship builder, JOHN ELDER
webpage for GLASGOW:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/Steamships.htm

Map for ELDER locations:
"1-9 WATER ROW," on the River Clyde,
near ELDER PARK, ELDER street and NAPIER Streets
FROM GLASGOW MAP: 
 http://goo.gl/maps/wfuMX

***
LEDINGHAM project  - 4 kits  ( I-Viking - Aberdeenshire)
With long history article:
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ledingham

Administrators
    Alasdair Macdonald    alasdair@familytreedna.com , Group Administrator
    Iain Ledingham            iml@scotpad.co.uk , Group Administrator

Y-DNA RESULTS CHART:
I-L338+
245596     Ledingham  
        Ancestor:    
       Alexander Ledingham b1793 Banffshire/Aberdeenshire  Scotland  -   I1
and others...

****
Using Google search:  "WWI Fromelles and DNA"
See an article:
at
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/02/01/ww1.graves/index.html

--" the British and Australian ministries of defense were trying to get DNA samples
from relatives of those killed in hopes of identifying the bodies.

..."The commission will list as much information as possible on the
Fromelles headstones -- a name or a nationality if it can be determined, they said."

******

Agenda for "DNA Interest Group for Scotland" Meeting Jan 18, 2014

"DNA INTEREST GROUP FOR SCOTLAND"
ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE MEETING -
TO BE HELD IN GLASGOW -  January 18, 2014,
posted
on WORDPRESS
at
http://gendnascotland.wordpress.com
******
Programme
11.00              Greetings and introductions
11.10              Types of DNA test and DNA projects – A. Macdonald & J. Cleary
11.30              ISOGG and the need for a DNA forum for Scotland –
                         J. Cleary, A.   Macdonald & open discussion
12.00              Project briefings – brief reports from:
                      MacFarlane surname project;  Kennedy surname project;   
                       R-L165 haplogroup project (MacLeod/MacNeils etc);  [More about SNP's, I bet]
                      Camp and Kemp surname project;
                      Ledingham surname project;
                       WW1 Fromelle Project;
                      Scottish DNA geographical Project.
  Brief reports or announcements from other Projects
that have contacted the Organizers (including brief written reports)
(12.30 approx  Short break for tea and coffee)
1.30                Future planning of the DNA Interest Group  --  All present
1.55                                AOB
2.00                                Close

The full provisional programme can be downloaded through this link:
DIG Programme 18 January 2014  (Click on the Wordpress page)